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kbeau73 15th May 2014


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Brutalsleeper 15th May 2014


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Forgive me for knowing nothing. But, is the fighting part of the game? Is there a tactical advantage to be gained by kicking off? 

If that happened, (Only watched the first 5 minutes) in any other game it would be embarrassing for the sport. Commentators would deplore it. Here they go crazy, love every minute of it, with stats even coming up on the screen and everything. 

It leads me to the conclusion that it's either an accepted part of the game, which is fine. Or that someone, maybe a league officials or the broadcaster plans these things for ratings and to draw attention to the sport.  Which must be embarrassing and annoying for the fans surely.


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kbeau73 16th May 2014


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QuoteForgive me for knowing nothing. But, is the fighting part of the game? Is there a tactical advantage to be gained by kicking off? 

If that happened, (Only watched the first 5 minutes) in any other game it would be embarrassing for the sport. Commentators would deplore it. Here they go crazy, love every minute of it, with stats even coming up on the screen and everything. 

It leads me to the conclusion that it's either an accepted part of the game, which is fine. Or that someone, maybe a league officials or the broadcaster plans these things for ratings and to draw attention to the sport.  Which must be embarrassing and annoying for the fans surely.

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This is a tough one to answer to be honest with you. It's an age old question as to if fighting should be allowed in hockey. Personally, I like the fights in hockey but not when they are staged. In the video I posted, there was some bad blood between the teams from a previous game. Most hockey traditionalists will say it's part of the game, some newer hockey fans believe it doesn't belong in the game. The game has changed quite a bit and being a fan of the old rough and tumble hockey, I think a lot of today's hockey is watered down but at the same time, more exciting because of the skill level of the players.

And you are right because when I see brawls in baseball, I think it's embarrassing for the sport. But in hockey, it's accepted and well, sometimes promoted. There is also the hockey "code" which sometimes means if you are willing to take a run at the best player on another team, you'd better be ready to back it up.

Hope some of that at least made some sense.


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techjedi 16th May 2014


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From a baseball perspective, I would equate the hockey brawling to pitchers "brushing back" or blatantly beaning batters. In principle it is the same; feel free to throw pitches that come dangerously close to hitting a batter (arms, body, legs -- head is deadly and definitely frowned upon), just be prepared for the other team to start plunking your team in retaliation. In general, it polices itself because in the National League the pitcher has to bat and is putting himself at risk, while in the American League the other players will tell the pitcher to cut it out since they don't want to get beaned with a 95 mph fastball. The umpires generally intervene with warnings and ejections when it becomes obvious that it's vindictive and intentional.

I have a hard time with the hockey fighting since I really see no strategic value in it other than trying to gimp/harm/disable a player. At least with baseball brush-backs the idea is to send a message to the batting to stop crowding the plate, thus opening up the inside part of the plate for the pitcher to aim for and use.


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kbeau73 16th May 2014


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QuoteFrom a baseball perspective, I would equate the hockey brawling to pitchers "brushing back" or blatantly beaning batters. In principle it is the same; feel free to throw pitches that come dangerously close to hitting a batter (arms, body, legs -- head is deadly and definitely frowned upon), just be prepared for the other team to start plunking your team in retaliation.  In general, it polices itself because in the National League the pitcher has to bat and is putting himself at risk, while in the American League the other players will tell the pitcher to cut it out since they don't want to get beaned with a 95 mph fastball.  The umpires generally intervene with warnings and ejections when it becomes obvious that it's vindictive and intentional.

I have a hard time with the hockey fighting since I really see no strategic value in it other than trying to gimp/harm/disable a player. At least with baseball brush-backs the idea is to send a message to the batting to stop crowding the plate, thus opening up the inside part of the plate for the pitcher to aim for and use.

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I can definitely understand the brush back theory. I do think hockey fights do some of the same. When better players are targeted, a fight can be the way of policing the game. However, the staged fights don't make much sense to me. And I can personally say that fights do tend to energize a team. I'm not sure of the exact mechanics or logistics of it but I've seen it many times. Most fights aren't really about disabling players because more times than not, the players that are fighting aren't the most skilled players and/or the players that get the most ice time. I think of them as basically enforcers or momentum changers.


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